In this provocative and thought-provoking video, we dive deep into the controversial topic of climate change and environmental policies. We challenge mainstream narratives and explore alternative perspectives on global warming, environmental conservation, and the future of human civilization. This video covers:
Critical analysis of climate change data and predictions
The debate between environmental conservation and human progress
Examination of proposed solutions like iron seeding and carbon capture
Discussion on the politicization of environmental issues
The relationship between environmentalism and population growth
Critique of mainstream environmental movements and their motivations
Exploration of technological solutions to environmental challenges
The future of human civilization in the face of environmental changes
Note: This video presents controversial viewpoints and is intended to stimulate critical thinking and debate.
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Malcolm Collins: Hello simone today We are going to be talking about how much I You hate the environment, burn it down, burn it down. I am so done with it. I am so done with dealing with environmentalists.
Speaker: Alright, that does it! I f ed it!
Oh, now she figures it out.
Malcolm Collins: When I came into all of this print natalist stuff, I started being like, well, maybe we can find common ground. You know, obviously the environment matters, but like, we should probably try to save humanity as well.
Speaker: Quick! Everybody help the children!
Hyaaah! Dude, bulldozers rule! Come on, let's get you back to civilization! Hooray! Hooray,
Malcolm Collins: Like I really, and you know, me, I tried to do a middle line, you, She got her undergraduate degree in [00:01:00] environmental business. Okay. It was one of these created degrees. Her first jobs were at companies like Earth Day Network and ACOR and other environmentalist stuff. Like we are not intrinsically antagonistic to environmentalism as a cause, but as time has gone on.
My relation to environmentalism has dramatically changed, and it's been changing more like I'd even say over this year, where I am getting further and further to a standpoint of just the environment, like, I'm done. We don't need to save it. We don't need it for humanity to survive.
Speaker 2: We're clearing out big sections of the rainforest for a lumberyard.
Really? That's great! You mean you don't mind? No! I hate the rainforest! You go right
Speaker: ahead and plow down this whole fucking thing! That's swell!
Malcolm Collins: And a lot of the stuff that environmentalists are going on and on about these days.
Aren't even [00:02:00] necessarily like, an intrinsic negative. For biodiversity. If that's what they're trying to protect, and that's one of the areas that we're going to get into it just a second. But I want to hear your thoughts before I move further.
Simone Collins: Yeah, I struggle a lot with this. I think the big issue here is very similar to the bigger issues.
We constantly talk about with the urban monoculture, which is that we don't have anything inherently against the values that it. Proposes to a spouse. We are not against LGBTQ rights. We're not against personal liberty. We're not against freedom of choice. We're not against people choosing to live how they want to live, which is sort of what I, at least I grew up thinking progressivism and being left was the Marxism.
I didn't really know about, I guess this is the same issue with environmentalism where we are inherently in favor of sustainability. Of biodiversity, of, of flourishing of life. The reason we don't like environmentalism [00:03:00] is because it has been corrupted to the extent that it actively runs against the best interests of these causes.
Speaker: You only fight these causes cause caring cells All you activists can go fuck yourselves That was so inspiring! What a wonderful message!
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, and we did another episode that focused on like environmentalists are the biggest threat to the environment, but. I actually want to do more of a, a splitting here where I used to be like, look, I'm against environmentalism because I don't think it actually helps the environment. We're now, I've begun to move more and more into the perspective of, I might just not care about saving the environment at all.
Speaker: Do do do do do, da da do, wow!
Speaker 2: There's a place called the Rainforest that truly sucks ass.
Speaker: Let's knock it all down and get rid of it fast.
Malcolm Collins: You know, I,
Simone Collins: I don't. Just screw the earth. I'm going off the planet.
Malcolm Collins: Well, we're going to be doing that eventually anyway. So yeah, okay. I'll get into some specifics here. So [00:04:00] like, if you look at global warming, first of all, you know, what do plants need to grow?
Global climate change, global climate change, right?
Do we call it
warning now? We call it climate change. I don't
know. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't know if I'm allowed to say retarded now. It feels like we're doing the
Simone Collins: hard R, but it is no, you, you are not allowed to say it, but we say retarded. Because it's retarded to not say retarded.
Malcolm Collins: Yes. Yes.
And, and don't be gay about
Simone Collins: it. Okay.
Malcolm Collins: With climate change. Right. I don't know if I'm allowed to say gypped anymore, but I'm going to say, I'm going to say gypped. But so here's the thing, global climate change, global climate, whatever. Right. What's it do? It increases the amount of CO2 in the environment.
And it increases the amount of warmth and the, the, the, the reach of the earth. And what, what, what do plants need? What do rainforests need? They need CO2. You're just like hypercharging photosynthesis. The [00:05:00] very thing that counteracts this phenomenon is what is being hypercharged by this phenomenon.
So you're saying
Simone Collins: you're welcome, trees.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I've never seen more of an obvious negative feedback loop like in my life and yet environmentalists are like, Oh, no, this is where you're gonna get these positive feedback loops and everything like that and I'm like the Environment is a negative feedback loop on this but more than that, you know, you could even argue this is Good for the environment, broadly speaking, and we'll get into the specifics of that, but it's also good for humans.
You know, if you are looking at you're going to get improved travel time in Arctic regions, which really matters for stuff like using less fuel and stuff like that for the big tanker ships and stuff, you're going to be able to use resources in those regions. Which is good for humans. You're going to have less people dying from extreme cold exposure.
You're just in the United States. There's 1, 300 deaths per year from extreme cold exposure. That's from 2006 to [00:06:00] 2010. And we're talking about how much is growing going to be increased by this. If you, if you're looking at cereal production, if we're using that as a proxy in wealthier countries, global warming will increase it by four to 14%.
But it may decrease by 6 to 7 percent in poorer countries. Now when we also talk about global warming, and this is the thing that really gets me about all these conversations, right? So, here I am looking at climate. gov. So obviously I very like pro global warming agenda organization. They argue that under very high emissions scenario, global temperatures will increase by three.
Point three to 5.7 C above pre-industrial levels by 2,100. And note, they're saying above pre-industrial levels, not above today's levels, right? Yeah. A little tricky there. Yeah. And they're saying in the absolute worst case scenario, this is the RCP 8.5 scenario. You're looking at a 4.3 to 5.4 degree rise.
And, [00:07:00] and, and, and the question here is, what are we talking about? Like, what does this lead to in the absolute worst case scenario, a temporary decrease in Earth's biodiversity? That is it. That is all. Oh, you're talking about yeah, well, well, in temporary, there is no sane person who doesn't think that the, the, the earth has had radical climate shifts before bigger than this the, the earth has had mass extinctions before the, yes, but if
Simone Collins: I may, there are a couple of things.
1 is it's not just a change in temperature. It is the extent to which ice caps and temperature. Ice caps melting, that is, and temperature change, perhaps a shift in the ocean currents that could cause very severe local climate changes that mean that it's very difficult for all species, including humans to adapt to those local environments because suddenly.[00:08:00]
the terms of their engagement have been very rapidly shifted and they don't have time. Which has happened
Malcolm Collins: before. Global sea currents have shifted before.
Simone Collins: Yes. Well, and humans have lived through ice ages before. So we loved it, man. We killed all those mammoths. Gotta get rid of them. Giant sloths. Fuck you guys.
But it is a big deal. Okay. It's not just a little warmer. Things can change pretty significantly. No, but hold
Malcolm Collins: on, hold on. In what way? So like, let's talk about big deals, right? If, if, if life on earth was going to go extinct or if humanity was at genuine risk of going extinct. Yeah. That's something I'd come to the table for it, but you know, there's life on earth that lives in, in conditions of like, Yeah.
200 at thermal vents under Fahrenheit, you know, at 122 degrees Celsius. Like there are, there are animals that are going to make it through this. No one who isn't like actually insane thinks that life is going extinct because of global warming. [00:09:00] And then you can say, well, humans, like human cities on coastlines and, and, and specific regional economies might be devastated by this.
Right. And then it's like, well, then. What's your realistic effing alternative, my friend, because when I look at things like, you know, the parents are like, reduce, reduce carbon emissions, reduce carbon emissions, and then COVID happens. And we ground all cars and we ground all planes and and not all but you know most like I really couldn't imagine a more draconian standard being imposed on humanity realistically than what happened to the world during COVID.
And we incrementally hit the That year, what was supposed to be our CO2 reduction every single year on top of that, we needed to keep all of those restrictions
in place and add incrementally more over the course of 13 years to hit those standards. This shows me that. any plan. [00:10:00] And this is the thing that gets me and why it all looks so performative and ridiculous to me to reduce climate change.
That's focused on a reduction in carbon emissions. I'm like like, like voluntary, like my use when somebody is like, Oh, I didn't use X or I didn't do Y or I didn't Z because it reduces carbon emissions. I'm like, that doesn't effing matter. My friend, and we have seen this in the data. If you want to actually resolve this, you can either do it with carbon capture or potentially with, and I was talking with a guy today, which is really pro this iron seeding the oceans this is where you, you, you pour iron into the oceans to increase the production of, of gases.
The, the, the problem is, Is it probably won't work? So there was a study done at MIT recently and I'll read a quote from a MIT publication on this. If scientists were to widely fertilize the Southern Ocean or any other iron depleted waters with iron, the effort would temporarily stimulate phytoplankton to grow and [00:11:00] take up all the macronutrients available in that region.
But eventually there would be no macronutrients left to circulate to other regions like the North Atlantic, which depends on those macronutrients along with iron from dust deposits phytoplankton to grow, the net result would be an eventual decrease in phytoplankton in the North Atlantic and no significant increase in carbon dioxide draw down globally.
And, and so. Great. You know, you're, you're, you're running a risk of that. Now what they would argue to counter that if they're like, well, actually, we know what happens when iron is released because there was a volcanic eruption that happened recently that led to a near net neutral year for carbon emissions.
And so they could just point to that and say, Hey, look, we, we already have a natural experiment that shows that this works. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not even a fairly difficult thing to do for governments, you know, you go to the Philippines and you're increasing fishery output in the region. So, like, why not do it there?
Like, regionally, this isn't a hard thing to do. So, like, why aren't environmentalists trying this? And it's because it's not about this for them. [00:12:00] It's like some weird aesthetic battle for them, which I'll get to in a second.
Simone Collins: Why, remind me, or maybe you don't know, why not the atmospheric blanketing? Of what was it?
Carbon or smoke or something else. That's the other thing I've heard of as an intervention. Oh, you could
Malcolm Collins: do it. In some countries may start doing that if they feel like their local economies are at risk. It's
Simone Collins: the major premise of one environmental justice fiction sci fi book where this renegade group just does it on their own, which by the way, you could totally do.
But nobody's doing it because it's not a real threat to them. It's all about signaling. Yeah, that's, that's the problem is there are actually. Renegade things. Maybe your plane will get shot down. I don't know. If you're flying over international waters, you could probably get away with stuff like this. People aren't doing it.
But you're right. If you're just dumping iron in the ocean, who's going to tell? People dump everything in the ocean, right? What's some iron when we have the [00:13:00] Pacific Gyre? Is that how it's pronounced? The great pacific gyre, gyre, gyre?
Malcolm Collins: I don't know. I mean, by the way, the iron dumping models right now suggest one ton of iron could remove 30, 000 to 110, 000 tons of carbon from the air.
So you're talking like gigatons. What format
Simone Collins: are we talking? Let's say you and I just get so pissed. Performative environmentalists that we just do it. Is this powdered iron? Am I going to supplement stores and buying iron supplements? Like what is the format that is necessary to make this work? I'm actually kind of thinking about like just having
Malcolm Collins: the prenatalist movie.
Just sticking it. Yeah. Just
Simone Collins: you're welcome. Idiot. You're welcome.
Malcolm Collins: F off. Yeah. We, we could also solve things like malaria fairly easily as well. Are you
Simone Collins: happy now? Yes. Yeah. Well, no, I'm the EAs are working on malaria, aren't they? And Bill Gates between the two of them,
Malcolm Collins: what they're doing is, is disastrous things like these mosquito nets, which then people are using as fishing nets [00:14:00] and is just completely destroying the malaria
Simone Collins: solution is more difficult.
It's more science y, you know, the nice thing about,
Malcolm Collins: you could, you could use you know, I forget the word and I'll add it in post. But the, the, that genetic thing where you modify mosquitoes with, it's sort of like a genetic time bomb that you can put inside something. And like, it's not that difficult to do.
And after a number of generations, it breeds into other mosquitoes and then they basically an entire population can become sterile at once. And the reason why, or not able to transmit malaria. And the reason why people are afraid to do this is they're like, well, what if it affects the local ecosystem?
What if it affects like blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, it will
Simone Collins: affect the local ecosystem.
Malcolm Collins: It will good. So what? Yes. Get rid of those little bastards. Okay. And, and, and, and if you look at the number of people dying per year, and I'll add this and post this, it's like insane. It's insane that they're not doing anything.
No, my God, the other lady in this call, I was talking to her and I was talking with these environmentalists. [00:15:00] She goes. are, how are you going to get off planet? Cause I'm like, well, my dream, like what I'm fighting for is an interplanetary empire. You know, I want humans not just on earth. I want them on planets and asteroids and floating ships.
And I, I think that this, this, this hand wringing over our existing environmental circumstances is going to look absolutely insane in a thousand years when our descendants are managing like maybe billions of biomes, depending on how quickly humanity through AI is able to colonize the, the, the, the world.
Universe. And they're going to be like, I cannot believe they were like really focused on like keeping the earth's original biome from changing at all in the 20th century. Like, what were they thinking? And, and she was like, well, what if we, she's like, I will run out of energy. And I was like, how are we going to run out of energy?
Like peak oil was ages ago. Like we've got renewables now, man. Like, and, and nuclear is [00:16:00] not limited by its power. Fuel source is limited by the incompetence of governments. And now you've got micro nuclear, like that's not even. And then she's like, well, I hear that a lot of those technologies rely on plastics, which relies on oil.
And I'm like, okay, lady, you know, that they don't have to be plastic. Those parts. The reason why they're plastic is because oil is so insane. Sanely inexpensive that I can buy oil at a per gallon price less than milk, like a fully renewable resource that's coming from a local vendor. And oil is, it's like being dragged up from the center of the earth, being taken up and, and, and being processed, this is a bit like saying well, you know, native, Native American tribe that like built its entire civilization around Buffalo.
And they're like, well, but if the Buffalo go extinct, like, where are we going to get utensils? Cause those are made from Buffalo bones. And I'm like, they're made from buffalo bones because your civilization is built around buffalo, okay? We're, we make everything with plastic because our civilization is built around [00:17:00] oil.
But like, the degree to which governments don't care about oil now, like look at Venezuela right now, right? Like, this is a country where plausibly any developed country could go in and take over the government with, like, humanitarian needs and capture, like, one of the largest oil reserves on earth that's, like, non producing right now, but nobody is.
Nobody is, even though they have the perfect casabelli, because they just don't need the oil. But you were gonna say My bigger
Simone Collins: issue is The extent to which environmentalism as a modern movement is tied to not having things change, which is one of the least pro environment, pro nature things you could imagine.
The only thing that is natural is the fact that environments, species, ecosystems evolve and change with time and fluctuate. And this concept of trying to keep it the same and [00:18:00] that changes is our bad. Is laughable, but also the most anthropocentric, whatever that word is, the most human oriented thing possible.
It's us trying to impose our discomfort with change upon the entire natural order of not just the world, but the universe. How myopic and selfish as a species can you be? And then you, you pretend to be the one. That favors natural stuff. That's very odd to me. That's another thing that turned me away from the movement.
Malcolm Collins: You see this all the time where they're like, Oh, we can't we've got to reintroduce the species of wolf to this region because like they were here historically, but like since then, a species of coyote has evolved to become much larger and take on the ecological role that that will species used to play.
And they're like, no, like, Like the, the aesthetic perfection of this environment. When it first encountered humanity, that must be maintained and not allowed to [00:19:00] evolve or differentiate. Right. And, and you really see this this belief, because when I was talking to them, I was like, at the end of the day, like, what are you fighting for?
Right. Like, You're fighting for maximum biodiversity. Then the only thing that matters is humanity getting off planet and beginning to seed new ecosystems, because that's going to lead to much bigger biodiversity. Any short term collapse in environmental in, in biodiversity due to global warming is irrelevant in the historical context.
You know, we have had. We've had mass extinctions before you look at the great oxidation of it. We've had species cause mass extinctions before. Oh, yeah. We're not the first
Simone Collins: sadly embarrassing.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we don't even we don't even get the claim of that like this is all part of the natural order right and and and biodiversity will eventually return to Earth even if there is a temporary reduction.
So the questions at play here of what you value is biodiversity is only how quickly can we get to other planets and is humanity going to go extinct? And then outside of [00:20:00] biodiversity, what are they fighting for? It's an aesthetic. It's an aesthetic of what the earth in the environment was like when humanity first started to engage with it.
And it's like, I don't care. Like you want to think of all the pretty flowers, but I don't care. Just
Simone Collins: make, make new ones, make, make new flowers. Yeah. Ask
Malcolm Collins: in fact, we
Simone Collins: are, we are making new flowers. And of course, a lot of these are the same people who are against genetically modifying foods and increasing crop yields.
And yet that's done to make hunger not an issue. And these people are also saying, oh, but we can't have more people because there's There will not be enough food for them. But of course, don't modify the plants to increase crop yields. That would be
Malcolm Collins: what's like going on about like carrying capacity. And I was like, what do you mean?
Carrying capacity, the Netherlands produces a third of the agricultural exports of the United States, the Netherlands, this [00:21:00] little bitty. Itty bitty, nothing of a country. And in post I'll try to add like what percentage of the U S landmass it is,
So this graph is to be believed. I am wrong in the Netherland actually . Exports. Half of the agricultural products at the U S does. As this would have it.
Exporting 5% of the global food supply in the U S exporting 10% of the global food supply. But whatever the case may be. , when you look at landmass, the United States is a literally. 229 times larger than the Netherlands. And keep in mind that 20% of the Netherlands land is reclaimed land. That is only being kept dry by the use of constant pumps and big.
Civil works projects from the ocean.
Malcolm Collins: where most of this landmass is reclaimed anyway, from the ocean using like constant, like pumps and stuff like that.
The Madelons is
Simone Collins: so cool.
Malcolm Collins: They're both,
Simone Collins: they're both giving us all our food and helping us lose all our weight. [00:22:00] God bless. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: Carrying capacity is, she's talking about a Zimbic here, is determined by technology. It is not determined by the amount of land on Earth, okay, that is laughable at this point, and we know it's laughable at this point since the Green Revolution.
But, like, what other, like, weird ethical argument could they have here? So I've heard some arguments around, like, and this is I'm concerned.
Simone Collins: I'm I am genuinely concerned about the human suffering that will be caused by climate change in areas that are not ready for it, where we will have humanitarian crises.
We will have mass immigration. We'll have refugees of places that are too hot to live where, where, you know, infrastructure will fail because of changes in the environment because of extreme heat, where people will die. I'm super not. Cool with that. I hate the idea of human suffering and because that is an inevitable part of existing.
I think what we really should be doing [00:23:00] is anticipating those risks and addressing them immediately because trying to prevent them from happening is. Not realistic. And if you want to do that, then dump iron into the ocean. We really have to look into this.
Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, and here's the thing, even, even if somebody was telling me like they, they, they knew or could predict a total ecosystem collapse it just, it's like, then we've got to find out how to live in a world with a total ecosystem collapse and environmentalists.
They're like, you can't. Do that for most of humanity. And I'm like, I don't care about most of humanity. I care about the you know, the technophilic pluralistic alliance that is the pronatalist movement. Right? And that is not most of humanity. I'm not here to save the urban monoculture or like a random Other people.
I don't have this noble, savage archetype where I need to paternalistically come in and save other people. I need to ask myself, can my [00:24:00] descendants that they stay very high tech focus if they stay very industrially productive, are they going to be able to produce the types of habitats that could survive even with Like a, what is it, like a methane runaway scenario in terms of global temperature?
And my answer would be absolutely. They'll figure out how to build something underground where they're growing fungus or something. Or they'll figure out how to, they'll figure it out. Okay, there, there, there are ways. For humanity to survive, and then eventually, when they do figure it out in the long term, they reestablish our current environmental conditions.
They can reseed Earth's biome. What matters more is stuff like seed vaults. I think those really matter. Or, you know, maintaining a genetic supply of like pre augmentation plants and stuff like that. Because I do think that in the future, a lot of the plants in nature are going to be augmented.
But I also think that we should begin creating large genetic databases. Of the earth's existing biome. So that parts of it can be used when we're creating new biomes on [00:25:00] other planets, or potentially even the whole thing can be used in the future. Because that's what we're really losing when we lose a species.
It was just a unique DNA of that species, but that's something that we can cattle up and then recreate with a fabricator in the future. You know, we're, we're, we're already at a place now where people are beginning to talk about like recreating, like some extinct species, like mammoths and stuff like that.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Another thing that bothers me about environmentalism in general or environmentalists is this, this perception that nature is gentle and kind and man has been, well, we would argue pretty much all living species are in an ongoing battle with nature, just trying to not get killed by it. Nature has been trying to
Malcolm Collins: kill us on a daily basis since we crawled from the mud.
Like, nature is not our friend. It is the place you go to [00:26:00] die. Like, you are absolutely right about that. And it is This weird Stockholm syndrome that some people have formed was nature.
Simone Collins: Yeah. I don't think it's Stockholm syndrome because that even involves exposure and adjustment adaptation. Most of us wouldn't last more than two days and a, an even slightly hostile natural environment with no access to other people or resources.
It wouldn't go well. It is very, very difficult to survive in the wild, especially without any experience doing it. It's not a friendly place. And, and I think we take for granted the luxuries that we enjoy from civilization and to just shit on them and act as though everything that we've Evolved everything we've developed our technology and even you and I complain about industrialization, you know, it's obviously [00:27:00] caused some unexpected effects and we haven't built
Malcolm Collins: about industrialization.
Simone Collins: Well, we, we, we, we point out that industrialization sparked. The beginning of demographic collapse, but that doesn't mean we don't love it. It's not a complaint, it's a fact.
Malcolm Collins: It's
Simone Collins: an, yeah, it's an observation. So, well, all I'm saying is we're not worshiping modernity and human development as an unambiguously good thing.
I think
Malcolm Collins: industrialization is, is, is intrinsically one of the most net good things that humanity has ever produced. I, I think that the creation of our existing civilization and industry is the manifestation of everything that makes humanity great. And the environment, I mean, if we talk about like spiral energy and anti spiral energy, where spiral energy represents humanity uplifting itself from the, our savage days as beasts [00:28:00] and the environmentalist, you know, The, the, the, the nature representing this force attempting to pull us down and subjugate us to our lesser instincts.
Industrialization represents the very platform upon which we were able to uplift ourselves from those savage days. And that as, as such, it is, it is sacred.
You disagree or you think I'm being,
Simone Collins: no, I'm really, I'm for all developments. And even when develops have developments have unexpected side effects,
Malcolm Collins: you
Simone Collins: don't want to adapt, but I'm, I'm not just that way about human technology, industrialization evolution. I'm the same way about the natural world and environment.
evolving and developing they may have unexpected side effects, but overall it is the process of change and [00:29:00] time proceeding. But I do, as a human who cares about other humans, and as a mother, and as a wife, and as a daughter, care about, you know, In general, the wellbeing of other people. And I don't like scenarios in which humans suffer.
So I do worry about that. Again,
Malcolm Collins: no matter what going forward, the humans can survive a climate change scenario where populations that weren't going to survive anyway,
Simone Collins: if
Malcolm Collins: they didn't die in this generation or the generation that's affected by climate change, they would have died a few generations from then.
Like you don't need to save everyone. Not everyone matters. And, and when I say that they don't matter, what I mean is, you know, Some groups are just going to die out no matter what we do, okay? I
Simone Collins: hear you, and I acknowledge that that's true. That doesn't mean it's okay that they suffer to me. And that is just, that's me.
In my opinion, a lot of people share it though. Well, you can
Malcolm Collins: start pills in these regions. I don't know, like one of those things they give when there's like a nuclear [00:30:00] apocalypse where you just, or you're just dropping them from airplanes over regions, making it super easy. What is that? Is that your plan?
Simone Collins: I think the plan is to set up incentives. Yes. That draw people away from regions that are going to be profoundly affected by these issues and to try to depopulate them and move people in other directions as soon as possible. Maybe set up immigration and migration treaties ahead of time so people have an out if they're willing to take it.
Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, but demographic collapse is going to make that happen organically.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I guess I like to your, to your point, a lot of this will probably look like a, an Irish potato famine issue where yes, a lot actually will immigrate away. And with great hardship retreat to safety and some will refuse to deal with change.
Because again, it's a very inherently human thing to not be comfortable with change, and they will [00:31:00] flounder and die in these regions in large numbers, which is tragic. Yeah,
Malcolm Collins: I should note, I don't have an intrinsic, like, antagonism towards nature. I believe that we are now in, like, nature 2. 0. Nature is red in tooth and claw.
Nature is an environment where Improvement occurs through competition, and I see that we are just now in the next iteration of that. But that doesn't mean that nature didn't cruelly kill a near countless number of our ancestors in, in, in ways that, you know, You know, even even today, right? You know, like, oh, you know, I don't know.
I just, and here's the other thing, right? With all of this, one of the things where my position internally has been changing over time, you know, as, as I learn more, and I don't know if I'm all the way there yet is. Is climate change even real? And
Simone Collins: What? Of course climate change is real. There's there are arguably, [00:32:00] you know, hundreds of thousands So I had a
Malcolm Collins: conversation with a guy Millions
Simone Collins: of years of documented proof of this.
You can do ice cores.
Malcolm Collins: So, so you may say that, right? Okay. But I'm gonna give you So I had a conversation with a guy. And I'm just going to repeat what he said because I don't fully understand the physics of all of his arguments. But this guy is very famous. Like a person who No, I'm not going to like out him so that people can know him.
Yeah, I'm
Simone Collins: just saying a lot of people are very famous and they don't tell the truth.
Malcolm Collins: This is an individual who very clearly believes this. A very successful engineer. And it's, it's anyone who's jumping in. No, it's not this. This one was actually introduced to you by Ruby art.
But anyway, he points out that you know, we see in a historic period, like in Roman Britain, they were growing grapes. Okay, that means that it was, , warm during that period, like that warmer than it is today. Significantly.
We see [00:33:00] farming in Iceland 23, 000 years ago, like that means it was warmer than it is today.
Simone Collins: Yeah. Climate change. What am I missing here?
Malcolm Collins: Well, no, what he's arguing, okay, so if you listen to the climate change activists today, they say, we are in, like, the hottest timeline that humans have reached. Oh,
Simone Collins: that's bullshit. But that's just because they have no concept of what climate change is on a larger scale.
But, as you've pointed out, It was warmer and colder in some regions in the past than it is now.
Malcolm Collins: No, this matters. In recent human history, the earth has been warmer than it is today. Okay, this undermines one of the core arguments where you could say, actually, we just have a fairly recent increase in global temperatures.
Along a, a up and down line that you've seen historically. And so, he makes a point to me that greenhouses [00:34:00] only work. Like if you're looking at a greenhouse thing, when they are completely trapped yeah, gases rise when hot and heat moves by convection, the relaxation time of carbon dioxide the, the transfer time out of the system.
Is apparently incredibly fast. It's in the field of nanoseconds. So, the, he gave me a paper that I'll put on screen here from
Richard. Feynman and it's titled the Feynman lectures on physics, volume one, chapter 40, the principles of statistical mechanics.
And so the
he says that there is no such thing as like a greenhouse environmental thing because heat moves by radiation. Conduction and convection and greenhouses trap the air by the dirt. With the glass preventing convection
My read of his argument. Although I personally don't fully understand the physics here. Is it heat transfer between the atmosphere? And, outer space would not be.
Particularly hindered by.
The [00:35:00] gravity that keeps the atmosphere near earth. When I try to research this.
What I get is that.
Heat can only transfer to outer space through radiation. It can't travel to space through convection because there is no medium in outer space, but that radiation is the fastest means of heat transfer. So. You shouldn't have the same level of hindrance you would have with an eight. Normal greenhouse environment. I E like a glass structure meant to keep air in near the ground. And I'd really love one of our autistic listeners to explain whether he's right or not. Sorry, I'd say autistic listeners, not to disparage solicitors as a show, but like, let's be honest here.
To explain to me whether or not this is right. Yeah.
Malcolm Collins: and that
CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, but re emits it quickly at about the same way wavelengths. He, this is called the relaxation time and it's about a few nanoseconds. The energy goes from the dirt to outer space in about [00:36:00] four For 500 million years, it's been much warmer and c. O. Two has been much higher.
We are in a period now that is a C. O. Two minimum, not a C. O. Two maximum, then he says here, for example, Venus out gas, the same amount of C. O. Two is earth, but since there's no life for carbon capture, it's It's all just a very dense atmosphere. The limestone beds worldwide on earth hold all the CO2.
So I, I, again, the, the thing that I don't really exactly understand is relaxation time of CO2 and does this really mean that heat can transfer really quickly from earth to the outer atmosphere?
And again, I want to be clear. I am not endorsing this theory. I don't believe this theory myself. It's just a theory. I hadn't heard before. Told to me from a person who has made a lot of money in the engineering and. Physical sciences space. So appears to practically know what he's talking about in a way that I don't. [00:37:00]
So
I wanted to share this information to maybe get feedback from our audience to understand why it's wrong.
Malcolm Collins: What I can say is I do believe that we're in an ecosystem now where if all of this were true, that The powers that be wouldn't let us know it.
And that's one of the big problems that they've created by creating this entire global censorship network. That's probably going to be hitting this episode was an explanation of global warming right below the episode.
I'm sure you're going to hit so that you know what the
Simone Collins: No, no, no, no. They dropped the concept of global warming and greenhouse gases.
When we were still kids, it has been climate change. For the longest time, I just used, I just used black forest labs to create a cartoon showing an anthropomorphized carbon dioxide molecule relaxing at a vacation resort. I mean, yeah,
Malcolm Collins: but why, why, hold on, here's my question.
Simone Collins: Carbon relaxation time.
Malcolm Collins: Simone, why does CO2 Explain, explain, because I, [00:38:00] I, I, I don't understand this.
If you're saying that nobody cares about greenhouse gases anymore, what, why, why this carbon capture stuff? Why this CO2 reduction in the Paris Accords?
Simone Collins: Because there are two elements to the environmental movement. One is, is an element that's, that's actually concerned about The outcome and then the other is the element that is performative and the performative element is not necessarily evidence based.
I don't think it's necessarily looking at reality. And it certainly hasn't caught up with the fact that the narrative changing to global climate change means that we need to stop looking at greenhouse gases. And so there's still a big focus on carbon. Why is there that focus on carbon? Because what are humans doing this bad and evil?
How do we need to repent? Well, we are sinning in the form of creating carbon, in producing a carbon footprint. And so how do we repent for the sin? We don't have children who can produce more carbon footprints. [00:39:00] We must sequester our carbon. We must capture the carbon. We must undo our sins. And that is how it
Malcolm Collins: really is like this, this sin based ecosystem of the way we relate to the environment.
Simone Collins: Yes. And I think that that's, that's what's going on. It's not a bow. Yeah, I mean, I hear you. But what I'm just saying is the fact that the carbon obsession not really making sense necessarily with global climate. Now, I could see maybe there an argument being made for an increase or acceleration of carbon output to increasing the speed with which polar ice caps melt is one of the primary drivers behind increased risk of global ocean currents changing, which would in turn exacerbate climate change.
By causing [00:40:00] drastic and sudden changes.
Malcolm Collins: People are like, well, what about all the people who live near the shore? And I'm like, well, they got to move buddy.
Simone Collins: Right. Easier said than done. Malcolm.
Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, not easier. The economic model that cities are built on doesn't work in a world of population collapse. So like they don't, it doesn't even matter.
They're going to be abandoned anyways, within our lifetime. I
Simone Collins: don't. That would be an interesting policy is. To prepare for demographic collapse, just effectively shut down coastal cities by no longer. allowing for mortgages or debt to be leveraged or insurance to be utilized in coastal cities subject to
Malcolm Collins: I think that's a perfectly reasonable policy.
And I think if you put, and this isn't about rising sea
Simone Collins: levels, it's not about rising sea levels. It's about being at risk of like hurricane surges.
Malcolm Collins: Actually, that's really interesting. So, so just, you know, we [00:41:00] can actually deal with sea level rise. The Netherlands has reclaimed like a third of their country or something like that.
Speaker 4: The Dutch polders are the largest land reclamation projects in the world. which added nearly 20 percent of land to the country. And its fertile land makes the Netherlands the second largest exporter of food in the world.
A large dike was constructed to block seawater from flooding into the inner regions of the Netherlands. We're going to look at how parts of the inland water area was drained and turned into fertile land. Ever since the 16th century, large areas of land have been reclaimed from the sea and lakes amounting to over 50 percent of the country's current land area if you include every lake ever laid dry.
Malcolm Collins: Oh, and I
Simone Collins: watched this great YouTube video on how Venice was actually settled. I mean, it was a marshland to start. Okay. The people fled to on boats and it was sort of a temporary settlement. And it was extremely, extremely [00:42:00] waterlogged and marshy. And everything that they built there was basically on top of waterlogged mud piles.
It was not, there was never land there that started to sink. Basically, everything they built there was built in a very unique and fascinating way. I'll dig up this video and share it with you because it's a great thing to link to. I just, I loved it. It was absolutely fascinating to watch the architecture of Venice.
Super cool. Even the
Speaker 3: When the first refugees arrived to start their new lives on the islands, they had the worst possible surface to build on. The small, marshy islands were made of an incredibly soft clay, which would barely hold the weight of a human . To create stable foundations for buildings, the Venetians collected large timber piles from the forests of Croatia and started hammering them into the ground.
Not only did this stabilize the piles, but by packing them really close together, it compressed the surrounding clay, pushing out the water and making it much stronger. Once the piles were firmly in the ground, they The tops were cut off, and wooden planks [00:43:00] were laid on top to spread the load.
Special blocks of Istrian stone were then placed to raise the foundations above the water. This design was a stroke of genius, as the wooden piles were sealed away from the air, making it impossible for them to rot. To this day, almost all of the original piles are in great condition, and are still holding up the city.
Simone Collins: Way that the buildings had to be built to fluctuate you know, with, with the movement associated with being built on such unsturdy Foundations and built in a really ingenious way. But anyway, even Venice, right. It's built on flooded ground that is unstable. And of course, you know, we can build on all sorts of other environments.
Humans are so good at adapting. And here's the thing. Here's another reason why I think Venice is so cool. And it like very much fits our whole city state concept. Is here. You have another place where humans had to develop a settlement in an extremely hostile environment that was not [00:44:00] meant for people.
And when you force people to deal with these constraints, amazing innovation starts taking place when you when you present humans with a challenge, they rise to it. And again, that's 1 of the fundamental problems facing many people in our society. Now,
Malcolm Collins: the surviving humans rise to it.
Simone Collins: Yes, the surviving humans rise to it, sure, but like, the point is that our big problem now is life is too easy.
And I think a lot of people that honestly aren't surviving right now, they are barely scraping by, they are subject to addiction, they are, they are desperate, they're committing suicide. Yeah, they're ending themselves, et cetera. These people could actually thrive if given, if presented with meaningful challenge, if their lives were threatened, if they had to build a new civilization and marshland because they were being forced to be like refugees in some kind of conflict.
So,
Malcolm Collins: I really like your policy solution. If we got into a federal office, I love this idea. It's
Simone Collins: not going to happen. One [00:45:00] crazy person's environmental policy to not allow development anymore.
Malcolm Collins: Because both conservatives and progressives would love it. So it could absolutely pass. So what you are passing is a policy that says for environmentalist reasons, Right.
So the progressives like it. Okay. We need to pass a ban on taking out debt in real estate in areas that are adjacent to the coast and was an X, a degree of sea level. Okay. Like X number of feet, debt and insurance,
Simone Collins: debt and insurance, debt
Malcolm Collins: and insurance. So why would conservatives love this?
Because it basically makes all progressive districts non viable in the United States, except for a very few inner country districts. Well, then progressives
Simone Collins: would never stand for it if they knew that that was the effect. Oh, they would. Oh, they
Malcolm Collins: would because it helps the environment. No.
Simone Collins: Yeah, but they don't actually care about stuff that helps the environment.
Remember?
Malcolm Collins: You don't think [00:46:00] Manhattan would vote on something that is economically not in their best interest if it fit the progressive religion? That is their entire system. Manhattan would 100
Simone Collins: percent not vote for it because they're dependent on insurance and they're dependent on debt. No, no, no.
Malcolm Collins: They 100 percent would.
Manhattan regularly votes things into law that obviously is going to make their city non livable in a few years. Whether it's the way they deal with repeat offenders of crimes, whether it's the way they deal with homeless people, whether it's the way they deal with immigrants, like all of their policies are like, obviously this is going to economically destroy the city and eventually sink it.
Andy woke up. Why not just sink the whole thing to begin with?
Simone Collins: I have to, I have to get Andy. One second.
Speaker 2: You say save the Rainforest, but what do you know?
Speaker: You've never been to the Rainforest before!
Boys and girls
Speaker 2: Girls!
Speaker: Getting gay [00:47:00] with kids is here
Malcolm Collins: This is it for us anyway, I love you, you're amazing,
okay, I love you. Cool, indeed. Okay.
Oh my god, so useless. I hate useless people. Today's episode, and obviously this is going to go at the end, is going to be therapy for me because I just had to talk with the most useless environmentalist. He was, he was going on, and we'll go over this in the episode, about iron seeding, and he was like, Why?
You know, they said we could fix global warming, because he believes 100 percent in the technology, right? Like, and moving forward with it. And I was like, then why are we having this conversation? Just go fix it, right? Like, why are you taking my time? To talk about this and he goes well if we do fix global warming It's going to have a lot of impacts on how you can promote pronatalism because more people will want kids If they don't think the future is going to be destroyed.
I'm like one. I don't think like yeah one
Simone Collins: not true
Malcolm Collins: Actually not having kids because of climate change I think that's an excuse people use to try to make themselves look virtuous [00:48:00] when they've decided not to have kids for selfish reasons but or just lack of action reasons. But in addition to that what do you mean like you want it?
Because then he was like, and we need to have another. Why would we have that conversation? Like, either it works or it doesn't work. There's no point in wasting my time with these hypotheticals. And this is what I don't get. Like, we're now at like, what, like 120 people watching us at any given time, day or night, right?
So, when somebody, like, tries to monopolize my time like that, it just boils my blood because I'm like, okay, there's 120 other people that right now at any given time I should be working to make better episodes for, who you know, are not Trying to convince me of their little project. That's probably not going to happen anyway, but anyway.
All right. So we'll get started on the episode here. But I'm sure you ran into this all the time when you were dealing with climate change people.
Simone Collins: You know, when dealing with [00:49:00] climate change people, this did not ever come up as an issue because so much of it felt like that if you are interacting with other people on climate change issues, it is often because.
You are a performative person interacting with performative people, everyone in climate change who's actually doing something. Isn't interacting with other climate change people. They're doing the thing they are. Elon Musk deciding, okay, climate change is an issue. Let's go into solar. Let's make electric cars.
Let's do this. And of course all environmentalists seem to hate him now. So. I think there's that bifurcation and therefore this is not something that actually bothers people who identify as environmentalists because
Malcolm Collins: true. Yeah, it's the, the identity thing, right? This, this is a topic we've thought about doing an episode on at some point, but about the effect of altruists and why the left hates them so much because all they want to do, I mean, they capitulate on every left wing issue, right?
They just want to focus on [00:50:00] the data, right? Right. Right. And the left absolutely hates them. And it's like, well, of course they do, because they're the people who come into a room and say, okay, we need to focus on, you know, X, Y, and Z issue by the statistics in terms of like net utility impact, and then the leftists are there, but like, But this year it's racism year.
Like, don't you know, immigrants are the thing right now? Yeah, this year is
Simone Collins: racism year.
Malcolm Collins: Don't you know? No, that's really the way it fucking goes. Like, it's insane. It's like this year, it's X year and we're going to do X. And, and if you're off topic, you're off topic. Like, God forbid, you know, during BLM, you're like, well, what about trans people?
Right. Because wrong topic. Okay. That scene is stealing. There was actually some quotes I heard of like lefties who were mortified that like, trans rights activists were saying trans lives matter. Because like they stole this like blackface and it's BLM season right now. And we got to do the BLM thing right now.
Come on, man. Don't you know, [00:51:00] right now it's brat summer. You can't be talking about anything but Kami. You can't be talking about anything but Cammie. None of this environmental nonsense this summer. Okay? That ain't her thing. Cammie? Okay. I'm trying to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm working double time for her PR team.
Trying to, you know, get it spicy here. Gotta get, get Cammie and Brat Summer and hitting it up at the club. I mean, that debate.
Simone Collins: We're, we're entering dangerously on cool zone right now.
Malcolm Collins: Well, no, the thing that got me about the debate was how much Trump, and this was like, he was out of character for doing this.
Right. But like, he just seemed like a beleaguered person actually trying to make politics work. And she seemed like the most, Ooh, now I get to do branding thing. You know, the, the, the really sad. Like watching them talk about abortion to me just killed me when she's like, I'm going to do X and Y. And Trump is like, you need, you only have 50 percent of the [00:52:00] elect of Congress or the Senate about at any given time, right?
There's no way you could pass a national abortion law. Even if you had it like, like you wanted to, like, what are you talking about? And just that Trump was here occupying like the real world and she was out here just like fantasizing about like fake political promise nonsense stuff I was like, where have we gone for like i'm gonna build a wall and mexico is gonna pay for it to You couldn't possibly get that passed.
Did you know that it's a 50 percent on each side of the aisle? That's the problem
Simone Collins: though. And that's, what's at play here is what wins now is punchy narratives. Trump had those before. And now I think Democrats have learned from that method and they're saying, okay, if that's how we play now, that's how we play.
Brad summer vibes, no substance, only ideas, national abortion ban. Trump is evil. [00:53:00] And it works. Well, I mean,
Malcolm Collins: I think what realistically is going to happen is you know, I, I think that people vote Dem in the same way they buy games like Concord and stuff like that. Like that.
Simone Collins: And that's the big question for the upcoming election in the United States.
We'll see.
Malcolm Collins: But I mean, we're basically at a point now where, because of. You know, and it's funny that I can say this without any trouble erection fraud. There's just too many problems with male penises and erections and fraud around that at the moment. Because you used to like hardcore believe it wasn't a real thing And now that you've gotten more into the political system, you're like, oh god, it's actually happening at massive levels I
Simone Collins: i'm having a harder time believing that we don't have any erection problems In our country at this time.
We
Malcolm Collins: need to talk about this country's erection problems and we're not going to be allowed to on youtube god forbid That's the type of thing that gets your channel taken down when you point out that part of the little game that they're [00:54:00] playing but anyway i'm gonna start right here. All right.
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